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Did the altitude have anything to do with our play today? I am likely looking for excuses but maybe that had some impact.
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Feel so good for him. Came in with tie game and left with the win. Its very hard to come in and play well. But I liked his pocket composure the most. He never locked on to primary. The long pass if you have to miss its better long than short. And without playing time and the wrs all have different speeds when you throw without playing live you make an assumption. I was happy Lebby made that playcall.

If DG starts next Fri thats great he has earned so mich respect and I’d love him to get a proper last home game. If not then I trust JA with a week of prep would be ready to go and win too.

But if DG can’t go we need to have less qb runs. We have real backup past JA. And today my knock on Lebby when JA was in was not running Sawchuk in that one series. But we won so thats the main thing.

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Gandalf wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 pm Did the altitude have anything to do with our play today? I am likely looking for excuses but maybe that had some impact.
Yes and no. It did but in first half it shouldn’t have. The field, now that was an issie in first half. Our D could not get grip on line push nor other players could be aggressive lest they fall and give up big play. I think traction hurt us more due to how aggressive our D plays and that was equalized.

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Stutsman’s father was saying that Danny had food poisoning. Unable to eat anything Thursday or Friday. Four intravenous bags including two in the 12 hours prior to game. Apparently Stogner had a similar thing going on.
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The big moment that defined Jackson Arnold's unassuming performance vs. BYU
Jackson Arnold's numbers didn't jump off the page in his emergency performance against BYU, but a small moment late proved to be big for Oklahoma in its 31-24 win.

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PROVO, Utah — Jackson Arnold looked calm and reserved as he warmed up in front of Oklahoma’s sideline at the end of halftime at LaVell Edwards Stadium, but underneath the pristine road uniform, he was admittedly jittery and nervous.

He hadn’t played in a game since Week 5 against Iowa State, and he hadn’t been in a moment like this one — on the road, at elevation, in a tied game with Oklahoma’s Big 12 title hopes in the balance — yet in his fledgling college career.

Arnold knew about 20 minutes earlier, after Oklahoma’s final drive of the first half, that his moment was coming. Dillon Gabriel sustained an “upper-body” injury near the goal line late in the first half, and Arnold knew then that he was about to be summoned. All the talk throughout the week of the Sooners’ plans to redshirt the five-star freshman went out the window in the blink of an eye.

“You got to go out and help the team win,” Arnold said. “We're in the fight for a Big 12 championship. If we lose today, we're out of that. Just the entire week, knowing that I'm one snap away and you got to keep that mentality the entire week.”

Arnold wasn’t flashy in Oklahoma’s 31-24 win against BYU. On paper, nothing about his performance necessarily jumps off the page, but he did enough and played mistake-free football to help the Sooners survive on the road and stay afloat in the Big 12 title race. He completed just 5-of-9 passes for 33 yards, but he managed the offense well throughout the second half of a close game — and made a key play late to help the Sooners seal the win.

“That's all Jackson and I talked about in between series in the second half is if we end every drive in a kick or in victory formation, we're going to like the outcome,” offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby said.

Added head coach Brent Venables: “Jackson came in and just a lot of little stuff the right way: (He) protected the football, chewed up some yards, made good decisions, distributed it really well.”

Before that, however, Arnold overcame some shakiness on his first couple of drives after halftime. The Sooners went three-and-out on their first possession of the second half, as Arnold had a third-down run called back due to a block in the back (negating a first down) that ultimately put them behind the chains and forced them to punt. On Oklahoma’s ensuing possession, Arnold bobbled a first-down snap and nearly fumbled the ball, resulting in a 3-yard loss and another behind-the-sticks situation that led to another three-and-out.

Arnold took a moment to take a few deep breaths after those inauspicious first two drives, and he remained even keel as he got on the phone with Lebby on the sideline after that second series.

“Just loved his toughness and his effort, his leadership, his calmness on the phone between series when things weren't great for him and finding a way,” Lebby said. “That's what I loved more than anything.”

It was while Arnold was on the phone with Lebby after that second series that a weight was lifted off the freshman quarterback’s shoulders. The Sooners’ defense was on its heels, with the Cougars knocking on the door for a go-ahead touchdown. That’s when safety Billy Bowman Jr. picked off a pass by BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff at the goal line and returned it 100 yards for a touchdown and a 24-17 OU lead with 5:55 to go in the third quarter.

“That was a big, big relief,” Arnold said.

Arnold seemed looser after that. The pressure of the moment dissipated, and he finally started to settle in — even though the game was tied again when he next took the field. He converted a third-and-13 to Jalil Farooq on Oklahoma’s third drive of the second half, and although that possession ended in a missed chip-shot field goal by Zach Schmit, Arnold began to feel the flow of the game.

Things slowed down for the five-star freshman, and it showed down the stretch, as he made a nice play with his legs to set up Gavin Sawchuk’s decisive touchdown and then iced the game with another third-down conversion to Farooq in the final minutes. It was that last pass that stood out most to Lebby and the rest of Oklahoma’s offense.

“People don’t realize but we had a play call on that third down, he checked the whole play, changed the whole play,” wide receiver Jayden Gibson said. “(He) audibled to slants, delivered a hot dot to Jalil for the first down. That basically put the game away.”

With Oklahoma facing third-and-8 at the BYU 38-yard line and looking to milk the final minutes off the clock, Arnold recognized pre-snap that the Cougars were in zero coverage and were prepared to bring pressure. The freshman audibled at the line of scrimmage, switching up the play into something — specifically, a slant route to the inside by Farooq — that could leverage what BYU was showing into a first down for Oklahoma.

It worked as he hoped. Arnold delivered a rope through a tight window to Farooq, who held onto the ball at the line to gain for a first down with 2:01 to play. BYU burned its final timeout, but Oklahoma was able to kneel out the clock to escape with the win.

“There's so many young guys that would've gotten into that situation and not done what he did on the last drive, making the plays with his feet and then the last throw and catch to win it,” Lebby said. “Man, proud of him.”

The third-down throw to Farooq was the culmination of a week of preparation for Arnold, as Lebby and the Sooners’ offense prepared for exactly what to do if they saw that precise look from BYU’s defense. As chance would have it, that was the first time Arnold saw that look during the second half—and he took advantage of it.

It was a small moment in an otherwise unexciting performance from Arnold, and one that—as Gibson said, “may not seem like much” — but it was also a revealing one. It displayed a level of awareness and IQ, as well as arm talent, that speaks to the bright future so many within the program envision for Arnold when his time comes to take the reins at quarterback.

“What he's done every single day, every single week is he's stayed engaged and he's let himself get coached,” Lebby said. “He is prepared in a great way, and he never knew when the opportunity was going to show up, and I'll be danged if it doesn't show up for the first time all day… and that's at the most critical time of the game. But it's a credit to him and just staying the course and preparing as the starter when he's not the starter.”

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'He's a winner': Former 5-star Jackson Arnold leads OU to 31-24 win over BYU following Dillon Gabriel's injury

PROVO — Jackson Arnold didn’t like what he saw.

With 2:07 to play on third-and-7, Oklahoma was on the brink of putting BYU away with a first down. After fielding offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby’s play call, Arnold audibled to slants. Once he received the snap, Arnold immediately looked to his right and fired a missile to junior wide receiver Jalil Farooq, who reached the sticks.

“That might not seem like much,” sophomore wide receiver Jayden Gibson said. “But for him as a freshman, to go in the game, be confident enough to check a play the offensive coordinator calls to what he thinks is best, deliver on that and get the first down to ice the game. It’s just the little things I see in him, I know he’s going to be a great player.”

Not only was the toss in a tight window, showcasing his five-star talent, but Arnold’s poise was impressive for a player playing his first meaningful college football reps.

“I knew they were gonna max out zero on us,” Arnold said as if he’d done it a million times before. “So I just checked out of it.”

At that moment. In a hostile environment. He showed why he was one of the most-hyped high school prospects in the nation last year, leading No. 14 OU (9-2, 6-2 Big 12) to a 31-24 escape of BYU (5-6, 2-6) on Saturday.

“That's all we did when he was in high school,” Rodney Webb, Arnold’s former coach at Denton Guyer, told the OU Daily following the game. “He is such a good decision maker. A kid like Jackson, you want to give him the opportunity to get out of a bad place into a good place. … A lot of that is just because the game happens so slow for him. He's got control of his breathing. He's got control of his heartbeat. He got into the correct play against that coverage and he made a bullet throw.”

Arnold, who completed five of his nine passes for 33 yards and rushed eight times for 24 yards, was forced to burn his redshirt and play the entire second half as redshirt senior quarterback Dillon Gabriel left the game after suffering a head injury. Before his first drive of the second half, Lebby picked up the phone in the coaches’ suite and relayed to Arnold he had “free reign” of the offense and to go out and play loose.

That kind of freedom is rare for true freshmen to obtain.

“I knew we were gonna get to a couple more things from a quarterback run standpoint,” Lebby said. “Wanted to still play aggressive and give him a chance to go play the game. And then we dialed back a little bit and leaned on our run game and knew he was fully capable to go execute and win the game.”

While he made a few mistakes, including a ball sailed over a wide-open redshirt freshman wide receiver Nic Anderson, which Arnold said he wishes he had back, he remained calm and collected throughout.

Where does that, as a 19-year-old, come from?

“I think it's hardwired within him,” Webb said. “I don't think it's something that you coach. I think it's something that you're born with. Todd and Sharon Arnold are tremendous parents, he was raised the right way. I think if anybody's due credit for his ability to show the poise that he showed it would be his parents.”

When head coach Brent Venables announced after last week’s win over West Virginia he had decided to redshirt Arnold the rest of the season, it would’ve been easy for the young player to go through the motions in Oklahoma’s final two games.

That’s now who Arnold is, though, Venables says. And he didn’t think twice about throwing him into the fire.

“I mean, it sounds easy now,” Venables says, “But, Jackson … He's put the work in. The moment wasn't too big for him. And the players around him, they knew that too. And I told them in the locker room, it’s unfortunate for Dillon, but what a great example. You’re the backup quarterback and a true freshman, sometimes they're young and immature. Jackson's not. But it'd be easy … To not be prepared for the moment here.”

“He's a winner. He's got tremendous courage and belief in himself and belief in the guys around him and trust in the system.”

On his second series, he almost fumbled a snap but coolly saved it like he saved the Sooners. After the play, however, Drake Stoops had a talk with him. One of OU’s most important leaders took Arnold to the side during a timeout and let him know he had his back and to settle in.

Arnold looked settled and showed flashes of a quarterback who has enough talent and precision to lead the Sooners into the SEC. His best play was a 15-yard scramble run, showcasing his dual-threat ability, but his arm talent is unquestionable.

During Oklahoma’s practices, you can tell when Arnold is throwing during drills.



Gabriel’s status is up in the air, as Venables said postgame it’s possible he could return when the Sooners face TCU (5-6, 3-5) at 11 a.m. Friday in Norman. He also said, however, he hadn’t talked to anyone about it since halftime.

It’s entirely possible Arnold could play in a game that defines OU’s chances at a Big 12 Championship Game berth, barring Oklahoma State and Texas’ remaining games. Whatever the case is, come Black Friday, the Sooners know what they have in him.

“I'm extremely proud,” Webb said. “I'm not surprised. He has been an unflappable competitor since the first day I ever met him. And I can never imagine a moment being too big for him. And. ideally, you would like for somebody’s first significant playing time to come in a little bit of a less competitive, less hostile situation.

“But if there's ever been a kid that has been made for that moment, it’s Jackson.”

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67%? I musta missed the makes. But in a plot twist he’s perfect on extra points this year. Makes no sense and we need to audition others next game. Let him do EP though

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Hats off to Jackson for coming in to a tough situation and leaving with the victory but Bowman's Pick 6 was THE play that turned that loss into a victory. If BYU gets that TD instead of Billy, I don't think we had much chance.
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Provo is only 4500 feet elevation. Surrounded by mountains, but I live at 4300 feet in southern NM, with the Sacramento mountains to the East. 4500 feet is nothing especially for young well-conditioned athletes. Old folks with bad heart, bad lungs, and whatever else; sure. They got problems. I do not think the elevation was too bad. I got the 4500 feet from the TV announcers, whom I thought were pretty good.
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Gandalf wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 pm Did the altitude have anything to do with our play today? I am likely looking for excuses but maybe that had some impact.
From a pure analytics standpoint, the "play today" can be explained by the fact that OU played AT BYU and the game was AFTER the texas game. As for a reason.....who the heck knows.

Any fan that can't recognize the sharp demarcation in performance between before and after texas is engaged in self-delusion most likely driven by some illogical belief that his/her "positive/negative attitude" will impact team performance. New flash to such fans - you are not that connected to the daily ins/outs of team dynamics........your feels do not matter one iota.

For three straight seasons the Sooners have played worse in the back half than the front. Championships are always won/lost in late October and November. This combination of trend and fact doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, and digging deep to find the positives (which I admit are there) and extolling them in some expectation that the Sooner football gods will reward such faithful expression is beyond ludicrous.

Gandalf...not directed to you, but your question sparked my response.
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Well what is said above is true. But my thoughts are this. Looking at what has transpired the last few years is very unusual in what
any team has experienced in all what has happened with this program. A coach up & leaving at the time he did with no advanced
notice, is bad enough. Sighing day was approaching recruits that have verbally committed are left wondering who there new coach
will be? Then on top of that he takes the best QB & some of the teams best players with him. The program must scramble to find
A new head coach that has no time to do any recruiting, and select his staff. That whole thing has got to have a lasting effect on any
team all by its self. This program was left very thin when coach BV took it over, & I did not even mention the players that transferred
or left for the NFL. On top of all that a new system offensive & defensive was installed. Look how thin we have been in our running
backs,place kicker, exc.

Our OL is just now getting there. This year we have been plagued with injury's.Our best defensive player has been
side lined the last few weeks. This game he & another played when having food poisoning & had not eaten for two days before the game.
I,m not just trying to make excuses, I,m just stating facts.We are in a constant rebuilding stage as it just takes time. I pity the poor
team that plays us in our bowl game, when we are healthy rested. JMOHOP.

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BYU entered yesterday’s game averaging 90 yards rushing per game, which was dead last in the Big 12. Against OU they rushed for 217 yards and gashed the Sooners for multiple big runs.
OU had been stopping the run pretty well all year long. Does anyone have any insight on what happened?
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Yes, BV said they did not prep for the type game Byu played. Took the blame.

Also, we are leaving and its obvious every team has spent extra time prepping. If any new B12 coukd beat us that elevates their program because next year there are 0 blue bloods in the conf. Knowing they can’t go far these teams give up practice time vs other teams to prep for OU. All it takes is a day a week over a month or so to use practicing vs OU.

We cannot discount the impact refs have either. The cost us the pokes game. And then just bad special teams play. Make that FG yesterday and the finish is calmer. Can’t recall how many missed vs our 2 losses but it hurts missing thoses. And our play calling was bad in 2 losses.

But to put a positive spin we are 9-2 and last year were 6-7. We can correct and improve some of the problems. Another class will add more depth. We’ve won close games this year that we lost last year.
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Check this out. And he’s had no real snaps this year. Poised in pocket! And threw to where wr would be too. I watched a lot of his last year HS games and he has the it factor. Once he gets timing and snaps he will be deadly. Some will say Stogner was open too and he was however behind the chains, but it was 3rd down and he threw past the chains to get the first.

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OU Guy wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:39 am Yes, BV said they did not prep for the type game Byu played. Took the blame.

Also, we are leaving and its obvious every team has spent extra time prepping. If any new B12 coukd beat us that elevates their program because next year there are 0 blue bloods in the conf. Knowing they can’t go far these teams give up practice time vs other teams to prep for OU. All it takes is a day a week over a month or so to use practicing vs OU.

We cannot discount the impact refs have either. The cost us the pokes game. And then just bad special teams play. Make that FG yesterday and the finish is calmer. Can’t recall how many missed vs our 2 losses but it hurts missing thoses. And our play calling was bad in 2 losses.

But to put a positive spin we are 9-2 and last year were 6-7. We can correct and improve some of the problems. Another class will add more depth. We’ve won close games this year that we lost last year.
Totally agree with your assessments above regarding extra prepping for OU and the refs and ST issues, and BV taking the blame for not properly preparing for them.
Another thing that comes to my mind, the field was very wet and slippery especially in the first half. I don't know what the weather had been like a few days before gametime, but possibly the Cougs had extra time to prepare their offense on wet turf and figured out the best way to play on it. Also, if my best defender has been sick for 2 days and had to have 2 IVs 12 hours before game time, we were probably lucky if he was even going at 50% at best.
All of these things aside, we did seem to solve things by the 4th quarter as we limited their offense to about 20 yards total in the last quarter.

All of the past is now water under the bridge and all we can control is to look forward and prepare for the Horny Toads. At least we have put serious doubt into the TCU coaches minds as to who they need to prepare for regarding our QB so that will divide up their practice time on a short week.
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Oh yes, the field conditions hurt us way more than them. Took our aggresive defense away.

And of course some sloppy player play. One glaring example is that run JA had called back because Stogner messed up. That coukd have been difference luckily it wasn’t.
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